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    XBOX 2: Microsoft to finally build a REAL console

    I found this article quite interesting regarding Microsoft's plans for building the next Xbox. Seems they're going for a much more customised machine.

    Microsoft turns to technology licensing for Xbox Next

    Rob Fahey 16:33 10/11/2003
    Are off the shelf components hurting MS' pocket too much?


    Recent agreements signed by Microsoft with a variety of companies to supply technology for the successor to Xbox reveal that the company is switching to the manufacturing model preferred by its rivals.

    While the Xbox is formed of off the shelf components supplied by leading technology firms such as Intel and NVIDIA, the contracts for technology for the next generation console, codenamed Xenon, indicate that the company's attitude to manufacturing has changed considerably.

    Rather than buying devices which are effectively PC components from manufacturers, Microsoft's next generation plan revolves around licensing technology designs from key suppliers such as ATI, IBM and SIS Technologies, and then arranging for the manufacture of these chipsets itself - effectively becoming a full-scale chip maker, albeit one without a fabrication plant of its own.

    This new approach means that rather than selling components to Microsoft, as NVIDIA and Intel do, ATI and IBM will be receiving royalties for the use of their technology - but Microsoft will have ultimate control over the manufacturing and final use of that technology, effectively giving the company far more control over its own platform, and the ability to make significant cost savings on manufacture.

    This is the same system that Nintendo and Sony operate, and it's one ATI and IBM are familiar with - since they've worked with Nintendo and Sony respectively on console projects. ATI provides the graphics hardware for Nintendo's GameCube under broadly the same terms as its new deal with Microsoft for Xenon, while IBM is one of Sony's development partners on the Cell microprocessor for the PS3.

    Another benefit for Microsoft is that this form of technology licensing will make the Xenon platform into a far more proprietary system than the Xbox, thus making it far less likely that people will be able to hack the system to run PC software. This has been a major problem for the Xbox to date - the inclusion of PC components in the box was a red flag to a bull as far as software hackers were concerned, and it's thought that many Xboxen are now used as home media centres and emulators rather than as games consoles as a result.

    The technology licensed from ATI is likely to be based on that used in the company's Radeon cores, but will probably be modified significantly to fit a games console's requirements. Similarly, it's expected that the CPU core licensed from IBM will be a PowerPC core, but it may be modified to fit into the Xenon platform - in much the same way that the PS2 runs a MIPS architecture core which has been modified with a new instruction set to make it more useful for console gaming purposes.

    Although this will probably deter the hackers to some degree, and the business and manufacturing model open to Microsoft will almost certainly save it significant amounts of money (with actual physical manufacture of the chips likely to be outsourced either to the Far East or back to IBM itself), it has its drawbacks. The company touted the Xbox as the easiest platform of its generation to develop on because it was so similar to the PC; this will not necessarily hold true for Xenon, which won't be based on an x86 architecture like the Xbox and the PC. Making life tougher for the hackers may also make it tougher for legitimate developers - and there are also major question marks over how this console will manage to maintain backwards compatibility and play Xbox games, with rumours abounding that Microsoft has approached emulation specialists Connectix with a view to solving this thorny issue.


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    Well, Xbox has always been the best when it comes to hardware, but it's problems layed in it's game library.

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    Xbox, IMO was not a console. It was a crappy computer. I'm glad to see the potential change.

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    Originally posted by ImaNihilist
    Xbox, IMO was not a console. It was a crappy computer. I'm glad to see the potential change.
    Do you have an Xbox?
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    Originally posted by 20NemesiS01
    Do you have an Xbox?
    Yes. I also have Halo for PC. XBox is now obsolete.

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    Originally posted by number1sixerfan
    Well, Xbox has always been the best when it comes to hardware, but it's problems layed in it's game library.
    It still does lie in the game library. There are only a handful of good games for the system, and they're not even must-own titles.

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    Nothin beats playing games against your buds on a huge screen sitting on the coach. Its something the computer can't touch yet. The best single player on the computer can't touch it. I really enjoy my xbox because of this. When the mighty computer can match the "crappy computer" in this area then it will become obsolete in my eyes.
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    I can't wait for the next gen consoles to get out, it looks like a lot of good things going on with the ability to do Doom 3 style graphics.

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    Originally posted by Alientank
    I can't wait for the next gen consoles to get out, it looks like a lot of good things going on with the ability to do Doom 3 style graphics.
    By the time the next gen's come out, Doom 3 will already be a year old and we will see DX 10.

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    Originally posted by ImaNihilist
    By the time the next gen's come out, Doom 3 will already be a year old and we will see DX 10.
    I'm aware of that, but lifelike images on a console would be great, and not just having them on pc's

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    Originally posted by Alientank
    I'm aware of that, but lifelike images on a console would be great, and not just having them on pc's
    It's funny what people consider life-like. I have been hearing "life-like" since DX7. I'll believe it when I see it.

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    Originally posted by ImaNihilist
    Xbox, IMO was not a console. It was a crappy computer. I'm glad to see the potential change.
    All consoles are computers designed specifically for gaming!! PS2 GC and XBOX!

    I love my Xbox and my PC i get more play out of my Xbox though. Yes some fo the games on Xbox are on PC. But halo for instance no co-op play on PC that just sucks that was one of best parts of halo. Xbox was the first console i bought with my own money as it was the first to ever have all the options i wanted. I am looking forward to the new xbox but i will enjoy my current one will then
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    Originally posted by xboxundone
    All consoles are computers designed specifically for gaming!! PS2 GC and XBOX!

    I love my Xbox and my PC i get more play out of my Xbox though. Yes some fo the games on Xbox are on PC. But halo for instance no co-op play on PC that just sucks that was one of best parts of halo. Xbox was the first console i bought with my own money as it was the first to ever have all the options i wanted. I am looking forward to the new xbox but i will enjoy my current one will then
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    I'm becoming more of a console person everyday. I built my computer a few years ago, and there was no way you could convince to buy a game for a console when the same game was going to come out for PC. But now, my Xbox is better than my 900mhz awsome computer of polygonal death. To say the Xbox is a crappy computer only applies if you have a computer better. As of now the Xbox feels twice as powerful as my PC. I'm going to be buying the new Deus Ex for the Xbox instead of PC, becuase I know my computer won't be able to handle it.

    That's one thing I like about consoles, the games are pretty much gaurenteed to work on them. It also forces developers to refine their code and not leave loose ends because they figure everyone has 2ghz+ processers.

    Also, I couldn't image playing games like Smash Brothers or Soul Calibur 2 on a PC, sometimes you just need a console.
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    Originally posted by ImaNihilist
    Xbox, IMO was not a console. It was a crappy computer. I'm glad to see the potential change.
    All consoles are computers, genius.

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