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    It would be nice to have a 10 or 12 person Sharky fantasy team. The biggest problem I have with joining public fantasy leagues or free fantasy leagues is that people lose interest if they don't have money on the line. So then you have a few people who aren't updating their teams and ruining the enjoyment and competitiveness for everyone else.
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    ya i dont join free ones anymore because all my attention goes to the $$$$ leagues

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    I just play in the EQ2Flames league, which I have for the past 4 years.
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    Good article. Jerry Rice weighs in on the diva culture among WRs in the NFL today:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...t-impress-Rice

    Jerry Rice saw the same clip everybody else did:

    Brandon Marshall walking while his teammates ran.

    Brandon Marshall punting a ball he should've handed to the ball boy.

    Brandon Marshall dropping passes on purpose.

    "That's something you don't do," Rice said Monday morning. "You don't drop footballs. What if your teammates see you do something like that?"

    Suffice it to characterize Rice's reaction as offended disbelief.

    "I never thought it would come to this," he said.

    By "it," he means the state of wide receiver-dom, something he takes very seriously. "I don't think the love of the game is there anymore. It's all about me, me, me and getting that big payday ... Things have gotten out of hand with the wide receivers."

    The position has a deserved reputation for having the flakiest, most selfish and egocentric players in all of American sports. And Marshall, whose antics earned him a suspension for the duration of the preseason, isn't even the latest in the parade that began more than a decade ago with Keyshawn "Gimme the Damn Ball" Johnson. Already, there are knuckleheads lined up to take his place, beginning with Michael Crabtree, who's still pissed off he wasn't picked in the top five.

    "When I came in the league it was about earning your money, justifying your job," said Rice. "I always believed once you sign a contract, you're obligated to it. Or you work it out in-house. Michael Crabtree wants the money up front — before he ever puts on the uniform."

    Don't mistake Rice's reservations for resentful ravings of a retired man. He's fully aware of, say, Larry Fitzgerald's old-school virtue. But he also knows that for every Larry Fitzgerald, there's a T.O. or an Ochocinco or a Plaxico, or, before his improbable second act with the Patriots, a Randy Moss. Wide receiver is the new reality show, a production infected with pathological narcissism.

    "We're divas now," Rice said wistfully.

    The NFL's all-time touchdown leader, Rice had 1,549 catches and 22,895 yards (almost four and a half perilous miles by my calculation) spread over 20 seasons. While some players brag about their thousand-yard seasons, Rice got a thousand (in just 10 games) on Deion Sanders alone. Rice is more than the best receiver in history. Given the fact that Jim Brown played just nine seasons, he's arguably the best player.

    That's not to say he couldn't be selfish. Or ego-driven. In fact, he had to be. They all do.

    To do the job properly, one must reconcile himself with the certainty of the blindside hit, with the defender's intent to decapitate. You must need the ball, as the need has to outweigh any fear or doubt. (In that respect, I understand, even admire, Keyshawn's self-proclaimed ethos. I'll always give him that: he never cared about the hitter, only the ball).

    "It takes a special man to tell himself, 'I'm going to catch this ball no matter what, no matter the guy trying to take my head off,' " said Rice. "You have to be willing to jeopardize your body. You have to want the football, and you have to want it when everything is on the line. Like Michael Jordan in basketball. A receiver has got to be like that.

    "You have to be selfish."

    The issue, then, is the expression of that selfishness. "I demanded the ball in game situations," recalled Rice. "But I didn't tell Joe Montana or Steve Young to throw me the ball. They could tell just from my body language. You don't distract the team."

    You don't drop passes in practice. You don't embarrass yourself. And that's what so many of these guys have become: embarrassments.

    The Brandon Marshall case seems particularly galling to Rice. He saw Marshall up close, just a couple of months ago at Fitzgerald's training camp for receivers in Minnesota.

    "I didn't realize the kid was that big," said Rice. "And unbelievably talented."

    Rice had a little aptitude for the position as well. But the greatest component of his talent — like Jordan's — was the ability to work harder, longer and more precisely than the other talented guys.

    "It was all about technique to me," he recalled. "You don't see that anymore at the wide receiver position."

    Such insistence on technique was partly born of necessity. In 1985, when Rice was a rookie, defensive backs were still allowed to manhandle receivers, bumping and chucking them all over the field.

    Perhaps the new generation of receivers have been emboldened by the rules. I wonder if they'd talk so much if they were hit like, say, running backs?

    Rice considered the question, but only for a moment. "Nah," he said. "Guys like Ocho and Terrell Owens still would've been the same."

    And here, Rice finally seized on an explanation, or at least the beginnings of one. Perhaps it's not the players who have changed so much as the coaches who've indulged their expensive vanities.

    Brandon Marshall, he figures, wouldn't have dared to drop balls under Bill Walsh.

    There'd be no suspension, said Rice. "He'd have been on the first Greyhound home."
    I completely agree. And Jerry Rice to me was the ultimate receiver... in words and in deeds.
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    Says the guy who demanded to wear Largent's retired #80 when he came to Seattle. Rice is the best ever but that rubbed a lot of people here the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r'aggro View Post
    Says the guy who demanded to wear Largent's retired #80 when he came to Seattle. Rice is the best ever but that rubbed a lot of people here the wrong way.
    Never heard that. I thought that Jerry Rice was generally a pretty classy guy. I'm surprised that he would have insisted to have Largent's number un-retired.

    #80 in Seattle will, and always should be associated with Steve Largent. Not Jerry Rice at the very end of his career. The #80 in San Fransisco, and *maybe* Oakland should be Jerry's there.
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    I think part of the reason Rice cares about Marshall more than the others is because of another mostly unkown fact. Rice worked with Marshall for a full offseason and presason just two years ago with the Broncos when Marshall was a rookie. Rod Smith was there as well at the time. I can't believe after having a couple mentors like that teaching you the ways of the NFL that Marshall goes and acts like this. I can't believe it. Denver is soooo screwed. I thought they were the second Shanahan got fired but know I KNOW they are. BOOOOOOO McDanieals.
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    I didn't even know Denver had a QB to throw the ball to any WRs.
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    No offense Snakes but I hope they lose every game since the Hawks get Denver's first rounder.

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    Denver has gone from a big time offense to a joke. They were finally going to have some healthy rbs to go with a stud qb, and 2 very good WRs, now they have no qb and one of the receivers is a disgruntled ***.

    If I were a broncos fan I'd hate McDaniels for driving away a franchise QB, even if he is childish

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    Quote Originally Posted by PriMaTe View Post
    Denver has gone from a big time offense to a joke. They were finally going to have some healthy rbs to go with a stud qb, and 2 very good WRs, now they have no qb and one of the receivers is a disgruntled ***.

    If I were a broncos fan I'd hate McDaniels for driving away a franchise QB, even if he is childish
    believe me. Everyone is bitter and wants McDaniels out already.
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    Anyways. I just drafted tonight. Here is my team:
    QB
    Drew Brees (NO)
    WR
    Calvin Johnson (DET)
    Wes Welker (NE)
    Braylon Edwards (CLE)
    RB
    M. Jones Drew (JAC)
    Brandon Jacobs (NYG)
    TE
    Greg Olson (CHI)
    K
    John Kasay (CAR)
    DEF
    Dallas

    Bench
    Ray Rice RB (BAL)
    Matt Schaub QB (HOU)
    Domenik Hixon WR (NYG)
    Josh Morgan WR (SF)(pending waiver for Ted Ginn Jr. at the moment)
    Leon Washington RB (NYJ)
    Miami DEF (current waiver for Carolina DEF)

    And we added a defensive player for fun I landed Demarcus Ware (DAL)
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    dude how many people in your league? How'd you manage to get such a stellar team? Second ranked RB, third ranked WR and highest ranked QB.. what was your draft order? MoJo->Johnson->Brees?

    Man what a lineup.
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    Its a 10 person league and I got lucky as hell. Yes that was my draft order there were a couple people that had no idea what they were doing that helped a ton.
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    I'm just hoping to get Johnson in the second round so I have my requisite Lion. Not anyone else I want on my team anyways. I'll probably pick up Stafford with my last pick.
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