OSX 10.6.2 removes Atom support!

[MrDigital]

So you disagree with yourself lol? I think you read my posts and then automatically take the opposite view no matter what.

Where did I disagree with myself? I said Apple is probably coming out with a netbook. You said they are worried about competition with their 13" Macbook. There's no similarities between our statements.

[Timman_24]

Where did I disagree with myself? I said Apple is probably coming out with a netbook. You said they are worried about competition with their 13" Macbook. There's no similarities between our statements.

It isn't that hard to understand. You try to disprove my statement by saying hardly anyone has an OSX enabled netbook and it is extremely hard to do but previously you gave the reason for the patch being that Apple may come out with their own netbook and don't want people using OSX on other netbooks. See the conflict?

I said they put the patch out to save potential sales. I'm sure they think they are losing something or they wouldn't have done it in the first place. I'm sure there are people out there that were looking at a 999 macbook for mobility (one of the smallest Mac makes), but then found out they could get a smaller netbook and put OSX on it.

Hell there are entire sites about hackintoshs. Supposedly the OSX netbook is pretty popular right now, there are dozens of sites showing how to make it:

http://osxdaily.com/2009/04/26/creat...-s10-and-more/

Apparently Apple felt threatened and put out this patch. A simple and good move on their part.

[MrDigital]

It isn't that hard to understand. You try to disprove my statement by saying hardly anyone has an OSX enabled netbook and it is extremely hard to do but previously you gave the reason for the patch being that Apple may come out with their own netbook and don't want people using OSX on other netbooks. See the conflict?

Do you have any concept of how big the notebook market is? And then how big the netbook market is? And then how big the number of people who install OSX on their netbook is? It's _hardly anyone_.

If you consider Apple's notebook market to be the size of a human being, the amount of sales lost to hackintosh netbooks is the equivalent to a single body hair on a middle-aged Middle Eastern man.

If you want to continue arguing me, go ahead. I'm moving on.

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A fix has already been posted. I'm gonna give it a go in a little bit:
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-...4-testing.html

[Colossus]

Anyone who owns a share of a company has a meaningful opinion. Unfortunate that you don't think your opinion is worth anything even if you're a partial owner. That's not really the best way to go about investing your money if you're just gonna give it to someone and not have an interest in what they do with it.

That is just not true. Your opinion means swat to Apple in the same way as my opinion. Unless you own a decent percentage in the company. You have no say in what they will do or what road they will go down. Thinking otherwise is just foolish and delusional.

Having for example 1,000 shares when there are millions does not really make you a part owner. You have no seat, no voice, no direct number, no nothing. Same thing as someone with 1 share or no share.

Now if you have 10% of the share. Then you may have more power. Thinking what little share you may have in a company means you are an owner and they will listen to your opinions is just... well sadly Mr.D... Stupid.

[MrDigital]

That is just not true. Your opinion means swat to Apple in the same way as my opinion. Unless you own a decent percentage in the company. You have no say in what they will do or what road they will go down. Thinking otherwise is just foolish and delusional.

Having for example 1,000 shares when there are millions does not really make you a part owner. You have no seat, no voice, no direct number, no nothing. Same thing as someone with 1 share or no share.

Now if you have 10% of the share. Then you may have more power. Thinking what little share you may have in a company means you are an owner and they will listen to your opinions is just... well sadly Mr.D... Stupid.

I've gotten the president of IBM on the phone. When Meg Whitman was the president of eBay I've gotten her on the phone. I berated the CFO of McAfee a few years back.

I could pick up the phone right now and get just about anybody on the phone from any company I am a shareholder in. It used to be part of my job when I worked for a hedge fund.

Just because you don't have any confidence in your power as a shareholder doesn't mean it's the same for all of us. When I buy shares in a company I expect it to do well (unless I'm shorting it) and I have the _right_ to talk to the people in charge.

Keep living in your small time world but don't assume we're all like you. That type of thinking is just... well sadly Colossus... Stupid.

[MrDigital]

A fix has already been posted. I'm gonna give it a go in a little bit:
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-...4-testing.html

Fix works like a champ.

About This Mac:
1.6 Ghz Intel Core Solo

lol, nice.

[Timman_24]

Do you have any concept of how big the notebook market is? And then how big the netbook market is? And then how big the number of people who install OSX on their netbook is? It's _hardly anyone_.

If you consider Apple's notebook market to be the size of a human being, the amount of sales lost to hackintosh netbooks is the equivalent to a single body hair on a middle-aged Middle Eastern man.

If you want to continue arguing me, go ahead. I'm moving on.

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A fix has already been posted. I'm gonna give it a go in a little bit:
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/mac-...4-testing.html

Apparently you missed the point and have still dodged the question! I initially asked you what you thought was the reason they came out with the patch and you said the hindering of future sales. My thought being along the same lines ie, hindering apple's future sales. Then you come back and say it has nothing to do with sales at all since hardly any body mods netbooks. Which debunks my thought and your reason as well! So I ask again, what do you think is the reason they put out the patch if it is not to save potential sales?

[MrDigital]

You're talking about current sales (people cross shopping a Macbook vs a netbook), I'm talking about future sales (removing the ability to hackintosh a netbook vs the probability of a future apple netbook). They aren't the same thing. This is my reasoning behind why I think it was done.

Regarding how many people actually MAKE their own hackintosh netbook is my reasoning behind why I think it was a poor decision. Apple is an incredibly overvalued company, one that owes its entire value to brand positioning and image. The hackintosh community as a whole has raised awareness and appreciation for Apple products for a whole lot of people that would never have got a Mac otherwise. Myself, for instance. To go out of their way to drive a spike into that community is a poor decision in my mind. They aren't a group that poses a threat to Apple.

Does that clear it up?

[Colossus]

I've gotten the president of IBM on the phone. When Meg Whitman was the president of eBay I've gotten her on the phone. I berated the CFO of McAfee a few years back.

I could pick up the phone right now and get just about anybody on the phone from any company I am a shareholder in. It used to be part of my job when I worked for a hedge fund.

Just because you don't have any confidence in your power as a shareholder doesn't mean it's the same for all of us. When I buy shares in a company I expect it to do well (unless I'm shorting it) and I have the _right_ to talk to the people in charge.

Keep living in your small time world but don't assume we're all like you. That type of thinking is just... well sadly Colossus... Stupid.

What a joke... You can keep your fairy dreams to yourself. I can get anyone on the phone too, does it mean they will listen? As I said it is not specific to you as a meager shareholder.

I have met quite a few fortune 500 CEO, CFO and CIO. My weight with them does not change because I have a couple shares or not. Keep your Canadian crazy ways. Thankfully you left the states with your silly thinking.

[MrDigital]

What a joke... You can keep your fairy dreams to yourself. I can get anyone on the phone too, does it mean they will listen? As I said it is not specific to you as a meager shareholder.

I have met quite a few fortune 500 CEO, CFO and CIO. My weight with them does not change because I have a couple shares or not. Keep your Canadian crazy ways. Thankfully you left the states with your silly thinking.

For someone who has no idea what sort of company changes I've initiated with my phone calls to C-level execs you certainly are sure of yourself. Are you a psychic? If not you should be, a lot of money in that. Like I said, I used to do it professionally. But hey, if that's all your capable of thinking, more power to you. Ignorance is bliss.

And just a lol at your whole response. Good thing I left the US? lol. I don't know what's turned you into such a miserable person over the last few years but almost every post from you is how much you hate this or that and how anyone who thinks differently is the dumbest person to ever have walked the earth and blah blah blah.

[Timman_24]

You're talking about current sales (people cross shopping a Macbook vs a netbook), I'm talking about future sales (removing the ability to hackintosh a netbook vs the probability of a future apple netbook). They aren't the same thing. This is my reasoning behind why I think it was done.

Regarding how many people actually MAKE their own hackintosh netbook is my reasoning behind why I think it was a poor decision. Apple is an incredibly overvalued company, one that owes its entire value to brand positioning and image. The hackintosh community as a whole has raised awareness and appreciation for Apple products for a whole lot of people that would never have got a Mac otherwise. Myself, for instance. To go out of their way to drive a spike into that community is a poor decision in my mind. They aren't a group that poses a threat to Apple.

Does that clear it up?

We can argue small points but my main point was that Apple feels threatened by these netbooks hence the update. I gave a few random examples such as the Macbook and Air. You practically called me a moron for saying it had anything to do with sales since hardly anyone uses a hackintosh netbook, but then you say a reason may be they feel threatened by the hackintosh netbooks for future unannounced products.

That is why I was confused.

I'm not saying these are valid concerns for Apple in the big picture, but apparently someone thinks they are up there.

I can see why they don't want hackintoshs around since they may feel that the user is not getting a genuine Apple experience since they are using it on lower end hardware. As for it raising awareness, I agree. I think people that would never use OSX because of the price premium can give it a go. However, there are also those people that previously enjoyed Macs but now use Hackintoshs instead for the hardware selection, price, whatever. I don't know which group is bigger, but it could be a factor in their decision.

Good discussion. Interesting as well. The motives for these types of things always interest me.