P4 Northwood and XP 2000+ reviews

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Thanks for the great prompt reviews. I was impressed with the fact that they both just came out and there was a review day-of here. Thanks a lot...

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[Trav2003]

4 articles in 4 days, and if ya just update the 2 guides that'll bump it to 6 or so new things...

Maybe sharky's not dead afterall...

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[FS740]

i don't get how the 2000+ xp got an 8.5 overall score and how the p4 2.2ghz got a 9. c'mon the scores were very similiar in everything except memory bandwidth...and the price for the p4 is outrageous.

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[Trav2003]

from article:
the new Pentium 4 processors run much cooler (32-34 degrees C, air cooled) than the Athlon XP, and have the potential (depending on your system components) of higher overclock results by increasing the FSB.

apparently that's why

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[FS740]

Originally posted by Trav2003:

from article:
the new Pentium 4 processors run much cooler (32-34 degrees C, air cooled) than the Athlon XP, and have the potential (depending on your system components) of higher overclock results by increasing the FSB.

apparently that's why

some updates for the kt266/a boards get cooler performance
http://12.229.149.4/wpcredit/wpcredit.htm

according to japin and some other posters they got 32 C

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[This message has been edited by FS740 (edited January 08, 2002).]

[btanner]

I agree with the comment above. The Pentium 4 getting a 9 and the Athlon getting an 8.5 is outrageous.

This goes to show sharky's continued favorism of Intel ... no matter what AMD does, they always seem to have done something wrong -- according to this website.

The XP2000+ which, by the name, is meant to be compared to a P4-2Ghz, beat the 2 Ghz hands down in just about every test. Not only that, but its much cheaper. How does it get a lower rating? Well, that reasoning is relating to issues like heat and overclocking potential?!? ***.

Sounds fairly biased to me.
a) Set up a suite of comprehensive benchmarks.
b) Your "favorite" doesn't win.
c) Invent creative reasons why your "favorite" is better that are not covered by these benchmarks. This way, you don't have to prove it.

If you are going to knock the Athlon for reasons like heat and overclocking potential, then they better be important issues. If they are important issues, why are they not benchmarked here?

-Brian

[jester22c]

Sure the AMD won on the benchies except mem bandwidth. O/C both of them to their max and see who wins... it's Intel by a large margin.

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[Trav2003]

Originally posted by jester22c:
Sure the AMD won on the benchies except mem bandwidth. O/C both of them to their max and see who wins... it's Intel by a large margin.

You can't call yourself a true hardware site by basing your judgement on how far a processor can be overclocked to. That is reserved for those "specialty OC" sites out there...

I'm sick and tired of seeing Overclock this, Overclock that, a true test of a piece of hardwares true character and intent can be found by benching it at standard speeds...

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[muisejt]

Originally posted by btanner:
I agree with the comment above. The Pentium 4 getting a 9 and the Athlon getting an 8.5 is outrageous.

This goes to show sharky's continued favorism of Intel ... no matter what AMD does, they always seem to have done something wrong -- according to this website.

The XP2000+ which, by the name, is meant to be compared to a P4-2Ghz, beat the 2 Ghz hands down in just about every test. Not only that, but its much cheaper. How does it get a lower rating? Well, that reasoning is relating to issues like heat and overclocking potential?!? ***.

Sounds fairly biased to me.
a) Set up a suite of comprehensive benchmarks.
b) Your "favorite" doesn't win.
c) Invent creative reasons why your "favorite" is better that are not covered by these benchmarks. This way, you don't have to prove it.

If you are going to knock the Athlon for reasons like heat and overclocking potential, then they better be important issues. If they are important issues, why are they not benchmarked here?

-Brian

Did you actually read the reviews, or just looked at the score? The reason the P4 came on top (by half a point) was because of innovation, benchmarks are not everything. This P4 is the Northwood which is the first P4 to use the 0.13 micron core, which means less voltage is needed and it runs cooler, and bumped the L2 cache to 512K, this is innovation. AMD just bumped up the CPU speed 66MHz on the same old 0.18 micron core, where's the innovation in that?

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[btanner]

Originally posted by muisejt:

Did you actually read the reviews, or just looked at the score? The reason the P4 came on top (by half a point) was because of innovation, benchmarks are not everything. This P4 is the Northwood which is the first P4 to use the 0.13 micron core, which means less voltage is needed and it runs cooler, and bumped the L2 cache to 512K, this is innovation. AMD just bumped up the CPU speed 66MHz on the same old 0.18 micron core, where's the innovation in that?

Yes, I read the article.

If you want to base the "goodness" of a product on its innovation, thats cool. I'm assuming that is why the new P4s got a 9 for innovation, and the Athlon got an 8.

Why do they both get an 8 for value though? Would you not agree that if the Athlon is extremely comparable to the new 2Ghz P4 in speed, but is cheaper -- it is a better value? Apparently not.

In fact, one of the "pros" for the Athlon is "excellent price/performance". One of the cons for the P4 is that it is expensive. But both are equal in terms of value?

All I'm saying, is that I've seen it before, and I'm seeing it again. Sharky tends to reach for reasons to say that the Intel chips are better, and downplays the reasons that the Athlons are better.

No mention of the fact that a 2000XP Athlon is about 533 Mhz slower than a 2.2 GHz Intel, but still keeps up in many benchmarks.

Check out the comparison at Toms Hardware. I found it to be considerably more objective.

[JuveDuke]

Originally posted by btanner:


No mention of the fact that a 2000XP Athlon is about 533 Mhz slower than a 2.2 GHz Intel, but still keeps up in many benchmarks.

You cannot base any argument whatsoever on that fact. Intel and AMD both chose there seperate roads, AMD chose CHOSE to create a processor that would not have as many MHz but be more efficient. Intel CHOSE to create a processor that would not be as efficient but that would be able to be clocked very high in order to balance it out.

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