I think my computer died

[msu2000]

Well, my Athlon 1200 was running at around 71 degrees C, so I thought I'd take a look at my superorb...I had a lot of that paste on the processor, so I removed the heat sink and processor, cleaned it up a bit, and put it back in the socket...my question is that I hope I'm forgetting to do something because my computer won't work now. I try get the memory, cpu, and drive check, but when I try to get into the BIOS, nothing. If I just try to let it boot, it hangs right after checking the components. Have I crushed my athlon? Will the 30 day warranty cover it? Did I apply my heat sink wrong in the first place? I put the paste right on the processor, and on the h/s, but it didn't seem to be working. HELP!!!!

[TimisoaraKill]

The thermal paste you ussed was Arctic Silver ?
I read a rewiew about Arctic.silv.making
contact between bridges could cause overheating or processor short circuite but they say it's very rear when this stuff could definitively broke a processor.
Did you touch a lot the motherboard with your hands ?
The power cable was inside when you get out the processor ?

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[muisejt]

First off you applied the thermal grease wrong. All you need is a tiny amount on the CPU and when it's spread out you should be able to see through it. All the grease does is fill in the microscopic imperfections in the surface of the CPU and the heatsink which creates greater surface contact which means better heat transfer. To much grease acts like an insulator, reducing the heat transfer.

As for the computer not working, another computer you could put the CPU in to see if it works.

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[Jojoba]

Originally posted by msu2000:
Well, my Athlon 1200 was running at around 71 degrees C, so I thought I'd take a look at my superorb...I had a lot of that paste on the processor, so I removed the heat sink and processor, cleaned it up a bit, and put it back in the socket...my question is that I hope I'm forgetting to do something because my computer won't work now. I try get the memory, cpu, and drive check, but when I try to get into the BIOS, nothing. If I just try to let it boot, it hangs right after checking the components. Have I crushed my athlon? Will the 30 day warranty cover it? Did I apply my heat sink wrong in the first place? I put the paste right on the processor, and on the h/s, but it didn't seem to be working. HELP!!!!

Hmmm...Here's a few tips (might have tried them already)

Check if there s a powerswitch on the back of your power that is turned off.

Unplug the powercord and turn the pc "on" (to drain out any remaining power) and reset your cmos (usually a jumper on the mobo).

If you have an Abit KT7 mobo, there must be a fan connected to fan-header1 if it has one of the newest bios-versions.

Check for loose power-connectors inside the pc.

If it's still dead, take of the HSF and CPU and redo the job (check for damaged core). If that doesn't help you can always try to return the cpu for a new one, but you should
tell them it newer went past 50ºC and that your pc went dead when you where in windows or something. Might not be the cpu...

Good luck and tell us how the story ends.

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[msu2000]

I just used the Silicone Compound that comes with the Thermaltake SuperOrb...

[Vindir]

First thing to check is your memory. Try taking it out and reseating it. It's possible you bumped it while removing your heatsink. The superorb is a poor choice for a tbird at 1.2Ghz as well. But it should be giving lower than 71c temps nonetheless. Makes sure when you put the heatsink on that it is making a good firm contact with the slug of your processor. A paper thin layer of AS is all you need, too much will negate the thermal conductivity between your processor and the base of the heatsink which will effectively raise your temperatures. It's unlikely you've cracked your tbird. Use some rubbing alchohol and some qtips and clean off your slug and make sure you apply a paper thin layer of Arctic silver and check to be sure your heatsink is making a secure contact with your slug. If reseating doesn't work come back and we'll try to figure out some other possibilities.

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[Vindir]

Man, wait 15 minutes to see if anyone replies on this one and when I finally give up there are three other posts while I'm typing =-p

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[msu2000]

What would be a good choice for a heatsink if the superorb isn't a good one...I really thought that was a choice but please let me know if there's better. I'm going to try to clean off the cpu with a little rubbing alcohol and try again. I'll check the memory and reset the bios...be back in a little while.

[Darth]

I just went through this same thing, before you try to return anything, remove everything from the board and remove the board from the case..leave just memory, processor with fan of course and video card and powersupply..make sure all these things are seated properly, then try to boot..if still nothing...see if you can borrow another chip or piece of ram from a friend to try..good luck

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[Vindir]

Originally posted by msu2000:
What would be a good choice for a heatsink if the superorb isn't a good one...I really thought that was a choice but please let me know if there's better. I'm going to try to clean off the cpu with a little rubbing alcohol and try again. I'll check the memory and reset the bios...be back in a little while.

The superorb is adequate, but it is about the worst socketa HSF you can get for a 1.2Ghz, an excellent choice if you're noise sensitive but want good cooling would be a taisol CGK742092 with the 30cfm fan on it. If you want the best out there pick up a fop38. It is loud, while not as unbearable as you'll generally be led to believe. Definately reseat the ram, and possibly try clearing your bios. We might be able to provide you a little more insight if you were to give us your systems specs.

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[msu2000]

Ok, I've cleaned off the processor and reseated the memory, cleared the bios and here's what happened. First, I do think that the overheating problem was because of too much thermal paste...I thought that I would want more of that stuff, but I thought wrong. When I boot up the first time, I can get into the BIOS, however when checking the system health, it says 0 degrees C. That tells me the processor is gone. If I reset, the system asks for a system disk in A: (Hard drive is still connected) and even if I have a disk it hangs. If I disconnect the power completely, and try again, I get the bottom half of the screen to display the windows startup screen, but i hangs there. Other times, I can't even get that far, it stalls after the memory test where it says Verifying DMI Pool... I think I'm going to try to replace the processor on the manufacturer's warranty (think I'll have a problem?), and I'll probably spend an extrea $30 bux for a retail version unless you would recommend buying a separate heat sink. I'm not going to overclock. Anyways, please offer any insight. If you don't think this is the processor, let me know, but I think that the 0 degrees in the system health pretty much gives it away. Thanks for your help and please let me know if you have any further advice.

[nzer]

not sure about this but.. isn't 70C pretty much a temp that will cook your CPU!! .. it really does sound like you fried it

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[sww]

AMD claims that you won't fry it until it hits 90 or so, fwiw.

Mine hit 97 once, but it was fine.

Originally posted by nzer:
not sure about this but.. isn't 70C pretty much a temp that will cook your CPU!! .. it really does sound like you fried it

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[Colt]

What motherboard is it, if it reads 0 degrees its not the motherboard thinks the processor is missing, and the processor is bad, it is the motherboard. The motherboard monitors the cpu temp, if it is reading 0 and it is an abit pull the cpu and look on the motherboard and see in the middle of the cpu casrriage, look for a litle blue thingy sticking up, if you pushed that down or twisted it it might be shorting the board. that is the thermal sensor that is supposed to stick up and touch the cpu, If that is fine bring the chip and board down to your local Comp store and have them test it, maybe cost 25$ but it will save you a lot of time to send the right one back.99% sure its the motherbord. Also clear your cmos and use default settings and make sure your memory is in the #1 slot. Not sure how asus monitors theirs so if someone knows let this guy know.

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[msu2000]

How could it be my motherboard? I really haven't done anything to it. I was very careful when I removed my heatsink and processor. I see the Temp. Sensing diode and I'm sure it's touching the bottom of the processor. If you're sure it's the motherboard, maybe I should look more closely at that...