The BEST gaming mouse????

[Techx]

Sup, Im still stuck with a shitty optical mouse and I'm sick of it. I wanna go back to analog for better control of my q3 game. What I wanna know is, whats the best
non-optical fps gaming mouse??? (And Ive heard too many mixed reports about razor bs so please dont even mention it) I want one that has a good comfortable feel, has great precision and a wheel would be nice.. I'm willing to spend a lot on it, so money isnt an issue.

Thanks for any opinions guys!

[mpitts]

Originally posted by Techx:
Sup, Im still stuck with a shitty optical mouse and I'm sick of it. I wanna go back to analog for better control of my q3 game. What I wanna know is, whats the best
non-optical fps gaming mouse??? (And Ive heard too many mixed reports about razor bs so please dont even mention it) I want one that has a good comfortable feel, has great precision and a wheel would be nice.. I'm willing to spend a lot on it, so money isnt an issue.

Thanks for any opinions guys!

I like the Microsoft wheel mouse.. I use my IntelliMouse Explorer now and love it, but the MS ball mouse with the wheel is great for gaming as well..




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[Adisharr]

Originally posted by Techx:
Sup, Im still stuck with a shitty optical mouse and I'm sick of it. I wanna go back to analog for better control of my q3 game. What I wanna know is, whats the best
non-optical fps gaming mouse??? (And Ive heard too many mixed reports about razor bs so please dont even mention it) I want one that has a good comfortable feel, has great precision and a wheel would be nice.. I'm willing to spend a lot on it, so money isnt an issue.

Thanks for any opinions guys!

What don't you like about it? (and what kind)


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[BlackTriad]

I use the Logitech Mouseman Wheel. It has excellent control, 4 buttons (the wheel is also a button) and is the most comfortable mouse I have ever used. It is as easy to clean and take apart as any other mouse I've had. It supports PS2 (I recommend a ps2 report rate of 100 here) and USB.

The software for it is still buggy (even the 9.0 build 999 mouseware). Make sure to select a scrolling size of "none" in the control panel for it or the wheel will work once in Q3A and never work again until you reboot.

I was under the impression that a laser mouse was superior to the 'ol ball types. What problems have you experienced with your new laser mouse, particularly in Q3A? What brand and exact model is the laser mouse you are using? What is the version of the control software and drivers you are using? Is the connection Ps2 or USB? Please elaborate. I need a new mouse and I don't want to waste money on a piece of junk.

[This message has been edited by BlackTriad (edited October 10, 2000).]

[Techx]

I have the MSFT IntelliEYE optical mouse. The older version, all white, 2 buttons and wheel. (Not the silver one) Its very comfortable and works fine otherwise. But in Q3 any flick or very fast movements results in the mouse not tracking the movement correctly and thus I will be looking in a direction that I did not intend, like the floor or ceiling. I know some people have said "its your pad" or "its all in your sens settings" but that doesn't work for me. I've tried different sens settings and diff surfaces and all result in the same problem.
I just want a good analog mouse that will not give me these problems.

Thanks

Originally posted by Adisharr:

What don't you like about it? (and what kind)

[Ymaster]

Originally posted by Techx:
Sup, Im still stuck with a shitty optical mouse and I'm sick of it. I wanna go back to analog for better control of my q3 game. What I wanna know is, whats the best
non-optical fps gaming mouse??? (And Ive heard too many mixed reports about razor bs so please dont even mention it) I want one that has a good comfortable feel, has great precision and a wheel would be nice.. I'm willing to spend a lot on it, so money isnt an issue.

Thanks for any opinions guys!

I agree with you!..I got this crapy mouse after ready SharkyExtreme about a year ago! I wish I never got it now. Would rather have had a wheel usb with a ball. The dam laser to the mouse is strang at times. Can not count the number of times this thing freaks out in Ut. I start spinning around for no resen at all. I figured out how to adjust the game so it's not as bad now. But it still does it all the same..grr

What really ticks me off is the way people act like it can work on just about anything. Well thats BS..You are limited to only smooth areas. And if you read the box it says to avoid mirror like areas. WELL A SMOOTH AREA IS GOING TO BE MIRROR LIKE! Plus the mouse is locked in speed down to 125hz I think? You can use ps2rate and make it 200hz with a ps2 mouse..By far better. Only thing is the lint cleaning gets old. But thats 5 minutes of my time a week. And happy gaming = MS Itellimouse can suck my @%$! This is the one Hardware that me and sharky would not agree on. I hate this crap and I know they love it..

I would love it more if MS would sell a pad made just for it to get ride of those dam spinning off random freak outs.. I give it a 4.0..And the 4.0 is from the cool red lights only..

[Mr_Q]

Logitech or Micro$,usb

[petecloss]

Originally posted by Techx:
Sup, Im still stuck with a shitty optical mouse and I'm sick of it. I wanna go back to analog for better control of my q3 game. What I wanna know is, whats the best
non-optical fps gaming mouse??? (And Ive heard too many mixed reports about razor bs so please dont even mention it) I want one that has a good comfortable feel, has great precision and a wheel would be nice.. I'm willing to spend a lot on it, so money isnt an issue.

Thanks for any opinions guys!

Personally I use a Boomslang 2000 (one for each machine in fact), although not everyone is as keen on these mice as I am. The sensitivity takes some getting used to but now I'd never go back to another mouse where you either have to move your hand all over the mouse (tiring) or whack the PS/2 sampling rate up (inacurate). The shape is also really comfortable once your hand slowly pulls back so it holds it further down the mouse like Razer intended and the buttons are on hair trigger microswitches so clicking them is nice and quick. My only gripe is the side buttons which are impossible to reach easily - your fingers don't rest on them, you have to move your hand up to click them. Other than that though, I'm sold on the Boomslang. Just don't tell DChris Angelini.

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Games Editor
SharkyExtreme.com

[Althor]

I use the logitech mouseman optical.
I don't experience any problems.PS/2 portrate it set to 200Hz and it works just fine.

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[petecloss]

Originally posted by petecloss:
Personally I use a Boomslang 2000 (one for each machine in fact), although not everyone is as keen on these mice as I am. The sensitivity takes some getting used to but now I'd never go back to another mouse where you either have to move your hand all over the mouse (tiring) or whack the PS/2 sampling rate up (inacurate). The shape is also really comfortable once your hand slowly pulls back so it holds it further down the mouse like Razer intended and the buttons are on hair trigger microswitches so clicking them is nice and quick. My only gripe is the side buttons which are impossible to reach easily - your fingers don't rest on them, you have to move your hand up to click them. Other than that though, I'm sold on the Boomslang. Just don't tell DChris Angelini.

OK, having mentioned that I noticed your comment about not mentioning the Razer BS. Ah crap. If possible though, do try and give it a go if you spot it at your next LAN party or something and see what you think. Yeah, there are mixed opinions about it out there, but if you're one of the people who likes the shape etc. you'll never use an ordinary mouse again. And besides, Fatality, Hakeem, Sujoy and other pro gamers use it so it can't be THAT bad.

As for non-Razer mice to suggest though, the Logitech Wingman Mouse might be the way to go. It's got three buttons (so no scroll wheel but you can setup the software to particlla yget round that when you press the middle mouse button and drag), a heavier mouseball for finer control and a shape that some gamers apparently prefer. I've never tried it myself but for a non-Optical, non-Boomslang mouse that might be the way to go. Or you could wait a few months for the Razer Mamba.

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SharkyExtreme.com

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[Adisharr]

Originally posted by Techx:
Sup, Im still stuck with a shitty optical mouse and I'm sick of it. I wanna go back to analog for better control of my q3 game. What I wanna know is, whats the best
non-optical fps gaming mouse??? (And Ive heard too many mixed reports about razor bs so please dont even mention it) I want one that has a good comfortable feel, has great precision and a wheel would be nice.. I'm willing to spend a lot on it, so money isnt an issue.

Thanks for any opinions guys!

I had many of the same problems you mentioned. Switching to a Ratpadz made the 'random' high/low look around problem go away. As far as response spped, the unit will get confused if you move it too fast. I have the original white mouse to and just bought the newer 'improved' 5 button white unit.

I can honestly tell you that this new mouse is a MAJOR improvement over the old one in many ways.

I can shake this new mouse VERY rapidly back and fourth and the cursor will NOT go up or down. I can also rotate the cursor at high speeds on the screen and the thing tracks perfectly. It is a much faster responding optical system. They say 33% but it seems like it's even faster than that..

I use my old one at work now..

$ .02

P.S. It also doesn't pause ocassionally like the old one did in TFC

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[twren]

This may be taboo, but I enjoy using my logitech cordless mouse. the response is excellent it is not as bulky as the intellimouses and you don't have to worry about the cord at all

[SYST3M]

I have tried a logitech wheel mouse, a logitehc first mouse, a microsoft intellimouse explorer, a microsoft wheel mose, and a logitech wingman gaming mouse. I have never been able to rail better than with the wingman. it is just so accurate, you won't believe the shots you can get. It was a very, very lucky day that i could hit a mid-air rail shot during a Q3 match with the intellimouse explorer, but now i get them all the time. I'd have to say that the Wingman is the best gaming mouse out there.

[Rick_James9]

Go Logitech Marble Trackman(Track Ball). They're much better than regular mice laser or not!


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[Minotaar]

hey man, you guys are missing the problem with lazer/optical mice.

I'm a quaker too, and I got really thrown off by the optical mouse when I got it as well (intellimouse with intellieye - looks like the ball mouse, but it's a lazer)

but the key is that you need to adjust your mouse grip a bit, and thats all; and I assure you it's better for your play style too.

Okok, flame me for telling you how to play quake, but I used to swear by my intellimouse (ball) too. And the reason I got confused with the mouselazer is that when you use a ball mouse, you're used to abnormalities of it - afterall, you've been using a ball mouse for years. One of the things you'll notice REALLY intense quake players do is slightly lift their mouse so that they can really feel the tracking on it - and this eventually becomes unconscious with flick shots and such when you need that accuracy - you lift the mouse slightly to get the pointer to move *just* so.

I can totally sympathize with you; you're quite a practiced player if the way the ball reacts affects you.

the lazer mouse differs from the ball mouse completely - it;s based on image detection and translation of light. when you angle and lift your mouse slightly, the lazer eye gets a horizontally or vertically distorted image of whatever it's looking at, and thus places the cursor irrationally. totally unlike a ball, I agree.

But this difference, I argue, is for the better. If you practice keeping your mouse flat on the pad, then you'll be more accurate. and while picking up the mouse slightly to get a feel for the traction and for flick shots is a good trick to get a little better feel out of it, stylistically the method is wrong. An analogy would be to practice playing basketball by throwing the ball underhand from between your legs. Sure, I bet you can probably get good at that - but the reason why people shoot with one hand and guide the ball with the other is because it's believed (from years of practice) that this method has the most potential for accuracy and range.

the same is true for my argument with the mouse. I argue that you certainly can get very good with your rail accuracy by using a ball mouse, but your potential is limited in the inherent inaccuracy of lifting up the mouse. Hell, you do flick shots, so that's damned good; you're pretty accurate. But I claim that if I played basketball since i was 8 by throwing the ball from between my legs, I'd be fairly accurate too. The key is potential - I claim that if you get used to keeping the mouse flat and re-learn your flick shots with a lazer mouse, your overall potential for improvement will be greater, whereas if you keep with the mouse-ball, you might be limited in the long run (just my opinion, tell me off if you want)

the reason I feel the overall potential will be greater is because I feel that lifting the mouse introduces an extra dimension of potential error. if you miss and kept the mouse flat, you know you didnt move it far enough one direction. but if you missed with a shot where you lifted the mouse a tad, then did you miss because you didnt lift enough? or beacuse you didnt move far enough.

last note - I think 3d gaming is going to develop serious "technique" soon. skills like playing the violin or blowing glass all have basic technique which in general everyone agrees will most support your distant longterm advancement. the keyboard and mouse thing was the first step in a quake "school of mousing technique" which, I predict, will lead to correct hand posture when holding the mouse, correct finger curvature, seating and keyboard positioning, keyboard layout, everything.

it's a sport, afterall. gotta learn how to swing your bat the right way, or grip the laces on that football.

Minotaar]AfZ[