hey gluegun

[Squirrel Meat]

in the klipsch forum under pro media 5.1 i stated that the santa cruz was a 24bit card. then you replyed that no in fact it wasnt. i could have sworn that you have been telling everyone that it is a 24 bit card and that was one of the reason it was better than the audigy. you even had links to back it up. i dont understand. is this just my mistake or what?

[Gluegun]

Lol, I never said it was 24 bit.

Cruz is true 16 bit.

Audigy is FAKE 24 Bit.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL:

True 24 Bit (audiophile 24/96) > True 16 bit (Santa Cruz) > Fake 24 Bit (Audigy)

[AMD_Man]

Originally posted by Gluegun
Lol, I never said it was 24 bit.

Cruz is true 16 bit.

Audigy is FAKE 24 Bit.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL:

True 24 Bit (audiophile 24/96) > True 16 bit (Santa Cruz) > Fake 24 Bit (Audigy)

I thought the Santa Cruz was 20-bit?

[Gluegun]

Uh....

Dual AC-97 2.1 audio codecs with hardware full-duplex for simultaneous record and playback at up to 48kHz sample rates. Stereo 18 bit A/D converters for high resolution recording of up to 4 sources. 3 stereo 20 bit D/A converters for high resolution playback of up to 6 independent streams.

Seeing as how you will have 16 bit streams...

hmm. it looks like it would work great with HDCD (20 bit, i think) though....

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by Gluegun
Lol, I never said it was 24 bit.

Cruz is true 16 bit.

Audigy is FAKE 24 Bit.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL:

True 24 Bit (audiophile 24/96) > True 16 bit (Santa Cruz) > Fake 24 Bit (Audigy)

Fake 24bit? It's not fake at all. Perhaps it's not always 24bit, but that's not to say that it can't reach 24bit.

You're twisting words even worse than the 24bit slogan creative uses does.

[Squirrel Meat]

Originally posted by Gluegun
Lol, I never said it was 24 bit.

Cruz is true 16 bit.

Audigy is FAKE 24 Bit.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL:

True 24 Bit (audiophile 24/96) > True 16 bit (Santa Cruz) > Fake 24 Bit (Audigy)

my bad, i could have sworn ive seen reviews of it saying it was 24bit as well. oh well, my apologies to you sir.

quick question, im prolly gonna get a new sound card tommorow(well order one). what would you recommend? music is a HUGE part of my life but as well i do game quite a bit. mostly at lan party's where i use cheap crappy head phones and i prolly game about 1-2 hours a day(i used to game much more!!). i play my music on my comp almost every second im in my room doing stuff. and i play it loud. i also watch alot of dvd's as well. at least one every 2 days or more. now i know you love the santa cruz. but is there any other cards that would be just as good or better? like the phillips acoustic edge or something? im most likely to get the santa cruz but im just curious. is the phillips 24 bit? what about the hercules game theater?

[qmul]

i thought the issue with the audigy was that it could do 24bit playback and not 24bit recording.... clarification please...

[Positron]

Originally posted by Squirrel Meat


my bad, i could have sworn ive seen reviews of it saying it was 24bit as well. oh well, my apologies to you sir.

quick question, im prolly gonna get a new sound card tommorow(well order one). what would you recommend? music is a HUGE part of my life but as well i do game quite a bit. mostly at lan party's where i use cheap crappy head phones and i prolly game about 1-2 hours a day(i used to game much more!!). i play my music on my comp almost every second im in my room doing stuff. and i play it loud. i also watch alot of dvd's as well. at least one every 2 days or more. now i know you love the santa cruz. but is there any other cards that would be just as good or better? like the phillips acoustic edge or something? im most likely to get the santa cruz but im just curious. is the phillips 24 bit? what about the hercules game theater?

Since you´re listening to a lot of music and watch dvd´s, I would recommend the Santa Cruz/Sonic Fury than Gluegun probably would as well. It is cheaper than the Hercules Game Theater XP (at least in Denmark) and apparently it has better audio clarity in music and also better drivers than the GTXP (that doesn´t mean the GTXP has unstable drivers, on the contrary). However, it is nice to have a gaming theater box like the Hercules one when you use headphones..
If your main thing is music, I would choose the Santa Cruz, but that´s just me

Anyway, I think you will find either the Santa Cruz, Philips Acoustic Edge or the Hercules Game Theater XP a definite improvement over your current sound card.

[taliesinangelus]

I am using the TBSC for gaming and it works very well (good clear sound). The headphone support is very good. BTW, It is one of the only cards that works on my dual Athlon MP system.

[Gluegun]

Originally posted by CrawlingEye


Fake 24bit? It's not fake at all. Perhaps it's not always 24bit, but that's not to say that it can't reach 24bit.

You're twisting words even worse than the 24bit slogan creative uses does.

The Audigy is a 16 bit card with 24 bit upsampling tacked on to the end. The Audigy wouldn't have the FIRST CLUE of what to do if you input a 24 bit signal to it... it might be able to pass through a 24 bit signal, unchanged, but that's about it. It also degrades the quality of any 16 bit sounds in the card by changing them to 24 bit by upsampling. What matters is that it can't DO anything with anything that is really 24 bit!

And, looking at the specs for the Cruz, it seems that it is 18 bit and 20 bit, but as you will probably only be giving it 16 bit sources...

I'm not 100% sure what it does when decoding a DVD... I'll ask someone...